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What do you guys think? Yay or nay?

SEQUEL? :ohnoes:

Characters, artwork (c) =Cheeko-001
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:iconriverfox237:
Riverfox237 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
*dying with laughter* You squealing in ecstacy was the best part. And the look on her face in the end. XD Actually, pretty much every facial expression in this whole comic is perfect. But the squealing and the looks of concentration while you're working on her face (with a pencil...which also cracks me up...) are the best.
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:iconmegsyv:
MegSyv Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Daaaw shucks! Thanks! XD
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Riverfox237 Featured By Owner May 1, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Welcome!
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lennan Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2011
I think the glowering isn't helping any. Did her glower just become more pronounced at the end of this, or am I just seeing things? XD
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:iconmegsyv:
MegSyv Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
I honestly can't tell any more. All of her scowls look the same to me. :/
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WolvenBane08 Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2010  Student Writer
Because I already read the next one, and I'm a hopeless fangirl....

SHEGO!!!!! :faint:
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Asderuki Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2010  Student Digital Artist
oh, pardon my mistake he is she XD
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:iconmegsyv:
MegSyv Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Hahaha! It happens all the time. XD
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Rasa88 Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Pfffffffffft NO YOUR DOING IT WRONG~!
Take her, make her into a man, make a clone of her manself, turn her back into a woman, give man clone to me! SIMPLE!

But pshaw she looks amazing <3 and this comic is mega cute~!


...wheres my man-clone? >:| Your so horrible to me!
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:iconmegsyv:
MegSyv Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Now THAT'S an idea! :excited:

AAAAA thank you for the watch, I'm so flattered!
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ShadowOfNights Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
The bow is definitely what's missing. XD lol
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SpamDragon Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010  Hobbyist Writer
I had the giggles for ages after reading this :D
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man1nblack Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
still looks like a guy
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Kuzunari Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2010
lol. oh my I almost died laughing
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slyeagle Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
I'm gonna vote nay. (This is a vote, right?)

Maybe I'm just too attached to the design I'm used to?

Also...she just made the jump from emo to emo vampire. D:

But I agree that the "girly" panel is ossim. :D
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:iconmegsyv:
MegSyv Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Haha! Darn!
Don't worry, I'm making another strip about this whole deal soon, and then the whole matter will be resolved. ;P
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Heh! Oh wolf...I know it wasn't easy to ask for something like that... I do think the new design does look good, and a little more becoming to her. ^.=.^
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Poul-Tisbey Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2010  Student General Artist
She's perfect!
The "eeeee" part cracked me up :D
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Poul-Tisbey Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2010  Student General Artist
:clap:
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Zue Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
OH GOD--- :rofl:XDDDDDDDD
I can't help but laugh out loud at the end :rofl::rofl:
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ForeverSpeel Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
LOL for real! Aaaah, Cheeko, you make me laugh.

I suppose she looks *somewhat* more womanish . . . I *guess* you could call it an improvement . . . I *suppose* . . .
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one-t-only Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010
I have to say I super love this! I believe cheeko's face is teh best. poor wolf, she is so misunderstood. I do think though that I liked her as is, it was just a part of her. Though I guess I do like the redo as well... I guess I am of no help.
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Figgeryboo Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010  Student Traditional Artist
Nay. Wolf is Wolf to me.


Sequel makes her look like Orochimaru. *shudder*
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Sliptail Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010
While I can't give you anything more then anyone else has said, and I wish you could. I have to ask. o0 How pissed was Wolf at you for this? XP Even if she did ask.
I love your expressions, and how you use your ears.

I know you don't know me very well at all (I'm Raye, Doylie and Spazzy's friend.) but I've said it before. ;-; I loooove those ears. <3
(If ever given the chance Seven and Wolf need to meet. >>')
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Pipotchi Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010
Now I can totally see her singing [link] <-- that
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:iconmegsyv:
MegSyv Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
AAAAAAUUUUGGGGHHHH!!! *hides*


...XD
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Pipotchi Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2010
Success :iconkiralaughplz:
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ElwenAldalinde Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010  Professional Traditional Artist
I love these comics in which you interact with your characters :D They're so awesome. Heehee, poor Wolf...

I think the new design does make her look more like a female, and I do like it. I'm terribly sorry for saying this, but (and I grit my teeth and clasp my forehead to say this) it kinda reminds me a teensy-weensy bit of the main villainess from the old Disney channel show "Kim Possible" [link] >.< I'm sorry! I do hate it when people compare original characters to popular characters in cartoons/ anime, so I don't do it that often; only when I think it's necessary in a critique. That's what my mind immediately jumped to, and I thought I should say so because you did ask...aaand now I'm babbling. Oh dear. Please don't sic Wolf on me.
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ankewehner Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm sorry, I'd really like to give a useful comment, but I have trouble telling what the difference is, other than that the "new version" is rendered with more care and shading.
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Alcnolien Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010
I dunno, she definitely seems more female to me. I can't figure out what it is, it might be the additional definition on her mouth, and her jaw looking a bit softer kind of helps too.
Her hair looks a bit more cleaned up, too, is that just me?

But yeah, I can't tell because of the bangs in her face in the new design, but the brow is definitely one of the things that should be changed from her old design to make her look female- women rarely have such a defined brow as she does/did.
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samysay Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010  Student Artist
XD 1 WORD AWESOME! but i like her old frames , mmm anyway she looks more girl ^^
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d3pthcharge12 Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010
A few suggestions I forgot/figured out: Adding more volume to the hair, and adding lips really goes a long way.
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d3pthcharge12 Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010
*TLDR warning*

Okay? Then we can proceed.

I think it's an improvement, and I definitely like the redesign. However, it's hard to say how much of that is due to actually taking the time to work and plan it out and not go DOODLEMONSTER RWAR. It's a step in the right direction, though, and I wouldn't abandon it just because the response is largely less than you would have hoped. Remember, very few people get it right on the first try.

Beyond what's been said that's been both helpful and... less so, I do understand the conundrum that you have: you're trying to make Wolf look more recognizably feminine in a definitive way without abandoning her core background, so some of the typical methods of achieving that cultural expectation are limited to more subtle ways and in some cases, severely. Unfortunately, as you're undoubtedly aware, because Wolf so closely follows the cultural expectations of what a man ought to do, she'll be prone to that gender ambiguity throughout her history and your relationship with your character, and this might be something you have to accept. This is, of course, not your fault but the fact that you're actively fighting against cultural expectations, which is good in and of itself, but will always prove to be an obstacle.

However, this is not to say that the effort is hopeless and unsolvable, but you'll have to go with some more subtle changes. I have some suggestions that might prove beneficial.

1). Taking a very, very, VERY brief look through your gallery, I've noticed that the shape of the heads of your human-ish characters (generally the "attractive" ones) have more or less the same head and jaw structure. This is usually not problematic as there are other gender cues that would help with identification, but with Wolf, the ambiguity works against you. One thing that would significantly aid you would be to change Wolf's jaw structure to something more feminine in appearance, something that has been stated and I believe something you've tried. It might help if you tapered her jaw more towards the chin, and to make the chin pointier, kind of like Reese Witherspoon (but less pronounced). As was stated before, you tend to have some pretty hard angles in the jaw line, and making those angles more organic while still keeping a "heart-shaped face" might contribute towards your goal. The more lantern-jawed Wolf looks, the less feminine she appears.

2). Thinner eyebrows has already been mentioned. Additionally, I might recommend making a more pronounced arch in the eyebrows, so the peak is higher, kind of like Michelle Obama, but once again, less pronounced than the example.

3). Thicker eyelashes. I realize that the Hollywood style of eyelash heaviness is unrealistic, but it's a cultural marker of femininity and might be a way to give your viewers/readers the gender cue without affecting Wolf's background all too much. I think the eye shadow is definitely a step in the right direction, but it could possibly be pushed more.

4). Some shading for the lips. I highly doubt that Wolf will wear makeup, but this is also a gender cue. Maybe enough to hint at fuller lips but not so much that it appears as if she went crazy with the lipstick.

5). Longer, more slender neck and a larger tendency to reveal it's length. If you make the neck longer and more "elegant" in appearance, this would probably help also emphasize Wolf's femininity. Also, it's a sign of sexuality to reveal the neck, the background of which I don't recall well enough to justify inserting it here. But, it's become an accepted staple for models and the like, and so that might help also. Putting some effort to define her neck from her hair would aid in this, obviously.

6). Less angular, more "button" nose. In some past designs, Wolf tends to have a bit of a hook or eagle-like nose, and the less of this, the more it might help. I've found Joe Madureira's noses to be particularly nice, and you could try that. The major difference is that the tips of his women's noses tend to be upturned a bit, which is something wolf lacks.

7). More freeflowing, organic, cursive-like hair with more curls (especially the tips). I understand the Wolf is unlikely to care about her hair enough for this to be put to excess or even give any real hairstyle, but the less straight and more stylized it appears, the more helpful it might be for the viewer. My mother pointed out that women's hairstyles tend to curl towards the face at the tips, and I've found this to be helpful advice. On that note:

8). Have more hair cover the face. Not that you don't do this, but perhaps less clumpy and more individual strands. I've often found and seen that a few strands across the face tend to enhance gender cues. You could also try to have those strands be longer, perhaps nose length or thereabouts. This might actually be more in character for Wolf as she seems to be perpetually in hiding and less liable to reveal herself, emotionally or physically.

9). More tonal variation. Probably unfeasible or undesirable for quick sketches, but Wolf seems kind of matte overall, which goes with the character but less so as a gender cue. Giving the hair some highlights and depth might help.

10). A more feminine appearance and body. Wolf's body is ambiguous, and you've mentioned multiple times on multiple occasions that she doesn't have boobies, but that's not everything that defines a woman, as you well know. A less angular, more curvy and slender figure not only in the "well acknowledged" places but also throughout the body would help in the larger scale appearances. Even though Wolf went through multiple levels of experimentation, she would still have hips (one can't go through puberty without developing those). Perhaps more gentle tapers from forearm to wrist, or calf to ankle, for instance, might help (this would be in line with the more slender, thinner neck idea). The same might be helpful for her hands as well, which seem pretty large in general, nevermind going wolf-mode.

I hope you can find some of these suggestions helpful and not too overbearing or redundant. Once again, I do think that the overall direction is great, and these are small, subtle adjustments, more like the difference between 20 degrees and 17 than doing a complete 180. Just need to zero in on it.
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The-Silver-Fox-Inari Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010  Student General Artist
breasts might help XD but that looks great
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MegSyv Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
I can't really give Wolf any chest because anything she had was removed... but she might be able to give herself one with her shapeshifting abilities.
Hmmmm....
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The-Silver-Fox-Inari Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010  Student General Artist
really? Gah! poor wolf! Ya know I'm so lame i don't know anything about her... but if you kinda squint your eyes, she looks like Shego from Kim possible [link]

maybe kinda sorta don't beat me with a shoe for saying that XD
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Tigershark06 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
LOL I like the extra detailing!
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Ronin-De-Vamas Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010
Yay!
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ShiningRiku Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010
This comic made me LOL XDDDD
Man wish I had more to say, but please continue being funny XDD :thumbsup:
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:iconmegsyv:
MegSyv Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
It's more than enough! Thank you for your kind words! :heart:
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ShiningRiku Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010
You're welcome! :D
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Valkyrie-Wings Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010
it seriously makes a huge difference for such a small change! Impressive! (also, side-note, kinda could pass for sheego from Kim Possible.)

Nicely executed!
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HannahEngland Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Shego?
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MegSyv Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Hego? Wego?
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HannahEngland Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Haha, from Kim Possible - the black upper lip makes her look like Shego, Dr. Draken's sidekick.

[link]
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MegSyv Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
You obviously didn't see the episode where she's reunited with her long lost superhero family. XD
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HannahEngland Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Oh, but I did. I loved that episode :D
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:iconmegsyv:
MegSyv Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
My definite favorite of the whole series. XD
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Biddybuddy Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010  Student General Artist
just looks goth now.......
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MegSyv Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Darn.
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